Oprah: I saw an interview you did when you were about 26, and you said, “I always wanted to be special.”
Ralph: And I still do.
Oprah: Unless you’re set apart.
Ralph: Well I don’t want to be a zero. I want to say something, to do something, to have a voice.
Oprah: There’s this wonderful line in East of Eden where Steinbeck writes: “Will liked to live so that no one could find fault with him, and to do that he had to live as nearly like other people as possible.” That struck me because it made me realize that if you’re going to be extraordinary, then you can’t be like most other people.
Ralph: Yes. And yet I’ve seen a lot of bad people become successful. You don’t want anything they have because they’ve sold their souls.